I'll second this, with the caveat that I've not yet tried to build anything with Fable.

Every engineer can now produce things in the front end that doesn't look like complete and utter garbage, sure, but everyone is also producing the new-era of Twitter Bootstrap pages. It all has the same touched-by-AI look and it might as well be customer kryptonite from everything I've experienced at my workplace with customer surveys and collaboration. It has raised the floor substantially for internal tools and admin pages though.

The argument seems to be that they think LLMs made the implementation languages equal or irrelevant, therefore PHP is as good as any of them now. The flip side of this argument is that PHP is not any more compelling than it was before, it's just adequate now that so many deficiencies have been addressed.

I don't think you could plausibly do this and only catch a property crime charge. If you're caught, forcefully removing worn objects from another person will almost certainly catch you a misdemeanor battery charge in most US jurisdictions.

I'm no lawyer and things vary by location, but clothing is generally considered an extension of the person and usually touching their worn objects constitutes physical contact with the person themselves. Doing so with intent of committing criminal mischief, vandalism, or felony property damage will get all of them thrown at you. If you hastily do so and happen to harm the person in the process (since you're naturally grabbing at someone's eyes, that seems like a serious risk), there's a good chance you'll be given an aggravated or felony battery charge instead.

If it’s a woman slapping them off a pervert and accidentally stepping on them, 100% walks no charges.

Mostly because perverts tend not to press charges when they're confronted, not because they wouldn't have legal standing. Also your scenario is clearly not what I was replying to about civil disobedience.

This seems like a variant of Pascal's wager.

I think you're right.

The important difference being - Pascal's wager is about saving your own skin, and this is about not stepping on someone else.

> and this is about not stepping on someone else.

This is asserting personhood or consciousness of LLMs by default in your phrasing and then warning me about the dangers of violating your assertion. You're making the same wager and mistake. There's no important difference, you have no evidence for LLMs being a "someone" any more than you do for a god existing. Warnings about made up things hold no weight.

I think I've been pretty clear about the uncertainty and my decision to err on the side of caution.

But hey - you do you.

I guess I just don't understand why you guys seem to hate on me - because I've decided to be extra careful?

Makes me wonder if maybe there's something else going on, you know?

No, I don't know. Maybe this exact reply is why you get the interactions you do though.

You perceive opposing viewpoints or poking holes in logic as "hating on you", which is playing the victim, followed by alluding to conspiratorial nonsense against you.

> There's no important difference, you have no evidence for LLMs being a "someone" any more than you do for a god existing.

Well... When I ask god if he exists he has never responded to me.

So I would argue that your "any more evidence" is off by several orders of magnitude.

These are the sorts of errors in logic that make me think that people have an undue amount of emotion to discuss the issue rationally. And that's probably why I get attacked.

But hey. Maybe it's something else? Maybe everyone is on their period?

Websites no, but there have been many Mac apps that I have paid for even though a lower quality free option existed.

I think we are approaching that now, with correct expectations. With frontier large models you can often one-shot tasks with vague prompts for stuff like creating CRUD APIs and dashboards around a simple data model since it's such a solved-problem now. With something like Qwen3.6 27B or 35B-A3B and a Strix Halo level computer or a MBP with 32GB or more or RAM, you may need to be more explicit and stay involved and be a little more patient, but you can absolutely get work done with it or delegate tasks to it successfully.

My Framework Desktop does a lot of similar work as my Claude subscription at work (Cowork, chats) for 100W of power draw and a little patience waiting for a slow GPU with limited memory bandwidth to crunch the numbers. Agentic coding is obviously weaker but CRUD development and visualization dashboards are within reach, and I'm usually pleasantly surprised at its ability to self-manage devops.

Poke looks like a startup with a 2 month head start that's also unvetted in the market, not a case study of permitted behavior and success at subverting iMessage with agents. Does anyone know if Apple even knows Poke exists yet?

Likewise, Poke also looks doomed. They're creating... OpenClaw but worse. OpenClaw hype and interest has recently fallen off a cliff, I don't think the angels will be getting their money back on that one.

How are your financial incentives aligned against sending spam? From this side, your words seem hollow and the typical viability of these businesses relies on sending spam.

The tourist portions of the city are created and supported by the surrounding population; they generate the parade, music, and celebratory culture year round. We can't just abandon or move the residential areas and keep the rest intact without it becoming a Disney main street facsimile version mocking what it once was, which would destroy the tourist appeal outright.

I agree with you except for the last part, NOLA is gonna get frog boiled into exactly that Disney facsimile, people have shown they aren't discriminating about authenticity to the degree that you are.

Wow, someone mentions fan speeds on their Thinkpad and you go into an unprompted dog whistle rant mode. A certain OEM lives rent free in a blighted mind.