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Immigrants are a self-selecting group. The barriers you have to cross leave the most motivated individuals/families capable of coming here. The immigrating generation, at least from my experience, come with the intention of setting up their children with better possibilities. Their lives revolve around making their kids hard workers in school, which transfers over into their character.

There's a joke in my community between the younger generation that we all had two choices after high school. You could choose to be a lawyer or doctor. If your parents were kind, then you could be an engineer.



> Immigrants are a self-selecting group

I find this offensive, as an immigrant. Also, my mother (and sister) worked in a sweat shop (they needle thread tags on imported/fake clothes underneath a laundromat) to put food on the table while going to school. My mother didn't "sacrifice" everything for us, she worked hard; became a programmer; and didn't allow my sibling and I to work less then her.

> There's a joke in my community between the younger generation that we all had two choices after high school. You could choose to be a lawyer or doctor. If your parents were kind, then you could be an engineer.

First time I had a steak, I was 18 years old and working as a waiter...the steak was $5 if you were staff. Prior, my understanding of meat product was salami and hot dogs.

It's great when you have the ability to go to law/med school but that doesn't work for all folks. Immigrants have a tireless work ethic because they know what it's like to be hungry. As a kid, I slept on top of a pig pen (it was the coolest place on the farm) and waited two hours to get milk for my family (before they woke up). That strength, commitment, and desire is what drives immigrants to achieve. Joking about law school is not really an option where I come from.


>> Immigrants are a self-selecting group

> I find this offensive, as an immigrant.

I am baffled as to what part of that is offensive. That immigrants choose to immigrate and put in the hard work to make that work out? Or are you objecting to the ideas that there are high barriers to immigration?

Maybe I am just misreading something, but I am confused.


Re-reading the comment, I mistook the "tone". Originally, I understood as "You choose to immigrate and it's easy, we'll all become doctors and lawyers".


People don't like to be lumped together and stereotyped regardless of how "positive" it is.

Also a lot of immigrants are war refugees or US allies that had to be rescued.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hmong_people#U.S._and_Laotian_...


>> My mother didn't "sacrifice" everything for us, she worked hard; became a programmer; and didn't allow my sibling and I to work less then her.

That's what parent means by self-selecting, which is being used in the sense described here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-selection_bias - a perfectly innocuous meaning.

(I say this as someone who has no pony in this race - I'm neither a resident, nor citizen, nor etc of the US)


I think you're being downvoted because you seem to disagree with the comment to which you're responding, but I think you probably just accidentally misunderstood it?


Yup, reflection points to a misunderstanding on my part. I perceived the comment with negativity, which I don't believe was the intention.


Would you want to emigrate to china and work in a sweatshop? No?

Would you want to go to the US for a high paying software job? Yes!

That's self selection. There is nothing bad about this but ignoring this leads to biased statistics.




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