I can't remember how many times in the last few years I've shut/stowed my ThinkPad, commuted home, and opened my backpack to find it burning hot and drained of battery because it either failed to sleep on close or reawakened itself while put away.

Even now, turning off or disconnecting my Bluetooth headphones causes my modern/up-to-date Linux machines to reawake if they were connected before sleep, which inevitably causes my monitors to come back online and fill my room with light and fan noise while I'm trying to put _myself_ to sleep...

Me too. I happens just often enough that I get complacent and forget to check D-:

I have a habit now of just running:

    systemctl suspend -i

Before closing the lid. Wake ups always work. That will suspend even if some applications is blocking suspends.

> opened my backpack to find it burning hot

Right? It's like, trying to suffocate itself. I just turn the damned thing off before going home now.

This comment is baffling...

If I get it right, it's saying that Linux is intentionally bad at shutdown / hibernation because that's how its users want it. And users want it because they are better users than other users: they are "professionals", whose computers never sleep.

So, if you are using an OS that actually works as expected, that's just proof that you're an amateur.

(and let's ignore the mention of the lid being closed. Because that would be devastating to this argument)

I didn't say Linux is intentionally bad at hibernation/shutdown: I said maybe it's not a priority in terms of resources/focus.

At no point did I say users want it to be bad at shutdown/hibernation.

I said for my job/use-case, I spend most of my time trying to stop the computer from sleeping. I posted this because the comment I was responding to said that 99% of users wanted the computer to sleep on lid-shut, and I thought I'd contribute to point out that's the opposite of my use case (indeed, I pretty much want the computer to never sleep on lid-shut). And i run linux as the primary OS on pretty much all my computers. A lot of linux users are also probably coming from a background where computers didn't sleep/shutdown very often.

I didn't use the word amateur. I didn't use the word professional. I didn't mention anything about using an OS that works as expected. I listed my background and use case.

I didn't say anything about any users being better than others.

I do think, based on all that, you may have some sensitivities that made you interpret things in a particular light.

> auto-suspend on lid close

on lid close being the operative term here.