> If any company tried to follow in AirBnB’s footsteps and saw their revenue decline as ad spend went down, wouldn’t they widely publicize this fact?
In the real world, a CMO who stopped advertising and suffered the predictable outcome would likely be removed from their job ASAP. Not boasting about shooting their company in the foot in a blog.
> I find it hard to believe that such a demonstration of the value of marketing wouldn’t be immediately shouted from the rooftops by CMOs everywhere and find its way into marketing textbooks.
I don't understand why you think these examples don't exist. It's marketing 101. Professional marketers (the real ones at big companies) are doing extensive measurements around their advertising value and customer acquisition costs.
Small businesses do it, too. It's really trivial stuff to do basic analytics on where your customers are coming from when they arrive at a website and it's not hard to see which ones are arriving because they clicked on ads and which of those translate into purchases.
I think this idea that all advertising people have no idea what they're doing and are unable to quantify their results is a weird HN bubble thing.
> It's really trivial stuff to do basic analytics on where your customers are coming from when they arrive at a website and it's not hard to see which ones are arriving because they clicked on ads and which of those translate into purchases.
No it is not.
If a customer came from brand bidding, you do not know if he would not have come to your website even without the campaign.
How do you calculate where a customer originated from, if he visited the site multiple times, sometimes through paid and sometimes through free channels?
You cannot blindly trust their claim that they are creating value - even advertisers from your own company are in on it.
I am speaking from my own experience working at analytics tools for a corporation, which has a monopoly. The product name is our brand. We are the only ones selling it. Every child knows it. Think public utility.
> I am speaking from my own experience working at analytics tools for a corporation, which has a monopoly. The product name is our brand. We are the only ones selling it. Every child knows it. Think public utility.
> These people will still do brand bidding.
Ooh this pisses me off so much. My IT consulting employee bids on their unique name. I guess the marketing department use it to fudge conversation rate of their ad spend. A scam.
Unless you are a dropshipper the value of Google traffic is way lower than appearant since people use Google as a address bar nowadays. And showing ads for people that already are considering to buy your product ... that is the worst kind of statistical causality poisoning.
> I think this idea that all advertising people have no idea what they're doing and are unable to quantify their results is a weird HN bubble thing.
I’ve worked in marketing for a decade and my experience is that most of my colleagues are making things up as they go. Very few have any formal education in marketing, let alone have any interest in reading marketing textbooks or studies and even fewer still have any maths background.
I suspect things are different at larger and more prestigious companies, but the state of marketing for SME’s is pretty dire.
In the real world, a CMO who stopped advertising and suffered the predictable outcome would likely be removed from their job ASAP. Not boasting about shooting their company in the foot in a blog.
> I find it hard to believe that such a demonstration of the value of marketing wouldn’t be immediately shouted from the rooftops by CMOs everywhere and find its way into marketing textbooks.
I don't understand why you think these examples don't exist. It's marketing 101. Professional marketers (the real ones at big companies) are doing extensive measurements around their advertising value and customer acquisition costs.
Small businesses do it, too. It's really trivial stuff to do basic analytics on where your customers are coming from when they arrive at a website and it's not hard to see which ones are arriving because they clicked on ads and which of those translate into purchases.
I think this idea that all advertising people have no idea what they're doing and are unable to quantify their results is a weird HN bubble thing.