> Now, this is the internet, so surely there will be plenty of people in this topic willing to disbelieve their governments.

Can you even imagine? Degenerates who don’t trust their own governments? Verräter.

Being mildly skeptical of one government is... fine... but two who are allies? Eight who are allies? The official Nato position? Surely, at some point they all become infallible.

Don’t discredit your own fatherland, mensch.