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12-14mpg is not “the same as a modern SUV” by any stretch of the imagination. A RAV4 hybrid is 41mpg, or 3.41x less consumption.


As someone who likes the RAV4, I'd point out that it's considerably smaller than a full size body-on-frame SUV like a Suburban. It's more like a lifted Corolla, or maybe Camry. Oddly enough, they now actually make a lifted Corolla. The dimensions are quite similar.


The RAV4 is a car with a SUV Body,

The Suburban is a Truck with a SUV Body

Not the same thing. the Suburban is a Full Frame massive vehicle capable of towing medium sized loads, haul alot of cargo, or alot of people

The RAV4 is a compact unibody vehicle capable of really no towing (though people will try), seats only 4 (uncomfortably if they are average American Adult size, only 2 Adults can fit comfortably in a Rav4)

While they both may be technically "SUV's" it is laughable to think they service the same need


> While they both may be technically "SUV's" it is laughable to think they service the same need

They service the same need a lot more often than you'd think: transportation for a segment of the public who'd be better off with station wagons but decided in the mid eighties those were not cool.

> seats only 4 (uncomfortably if they are average American Adult size, only 2 Adults can fit comfortably in a Rav4)

That's all false.


wow how big American adults


A RAV4, like most crossovers, is a car with slightly more headroom. Not really a fair comparison.

Compare it to a 2022 4Runner and you'll see that gas mileage is very similar.

Toyota is known for their top tier reliability and mid to low tier gas mileage and tech.


Interestingly a RAV4 Hybrid with about 2500 lb total cargo including trailer gets around 28-30 mpg. The newer hybrid transaxles (P710 etc) are mechanically surprisingly simple and I could see a future where they become the preferred replacement for an all-mechanical system.


Why are you comparing it to a hybrid? And not ever the right Toyotas.

4Runner - 17, tacoma - 19


Well certainly not the same as a tiny hybrid, obviously. But, to your point, a 2023 Suburban gets 20+mpg. So there's that. It also costs $57,000 and <hyperbole> has more computers in it than a small data center </hyperbole>




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