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There was no pretext to execute her. It's when she started driving (even spun the wheels I think) towards the officer were shots fired. In your mind, does police getaway equate with protesting now?


In your mind, does getting away from the police equate to getting shot? In the head? Three times?

Even police chiefs have called out how incompetent that agent was.


As I said, you're starting at a point where the ICE agent had already set up his pretext to execute her.


And as I said, there was no pretext to execute her. (Or you need to explain what the word "pretext" means to you, and perhaps also "execute".)


The pretext is deliberately standing in a position such that if the car moves he can claim to be acting in "self defense". This was directly contrary to ICE's own procedures about how to approach vehicles. This particular agent had even previously fucked around and found out about moving vehicles, so it's a reasonable assumption that this positioning was fully deliberate - the agent set the situation up so that he'd have an excuse to kill the next driver who didn't respect his authorituh.


If you look at the video, then the woman turns the front of the car towards the agent, who comes from the other side. Do you mean that he knew the movement that was going to happen and risked his life to do that.

Would you say the woman was in her right to attempt a getaway?


"As I said, you're starting at a point where the ICE agent had already set up his pretext to execute her."

Sitting in front of a screen and Monday-morning-quarterbacking, it's easy to say that driving off was wrong. But nobody really knows what they themselves would do in a fight or flight situation when being assaulted by a group of masked men, especially when one of the group is aggressive enough that they are indeed going to end up killing you.

The point is these "public servants" should not be escalating to create such high-stakes situations in the first place, especially with regards to citizens who are protesting. There is zero excuse for it, and under any halfway-sane administration such an event would be, at the very least, a moment of investigation and reflection.


If you're afraid of ICE agents, what are you doing in the area anyway?


Wut? You do realize that being in the presence of law enforcement officers is much different than the situation of being actively assaulted by them, right?

For example, the other day I interacted with a few police officers in person by virtue of being tangentially-involved with a car crash. I laughed and joked with them, then went about my business. But if they had instead been surrounding me with guns drawn, it would have taken me the rest of the day to come down from that.


When driving towards a law enforcement officer, it is you assaulting them, not the other way around. Fleeing is against the law as well. Why did the woman attempt this? Ot, if it was so dangerous, what was she doing there?


"As I said, you're starting at a point where the ICE agent had already set up his pretext to execute her."

You keep coming back to this point in time, to the exclusion of everything that led up to it. Why?


Because the alledged pretext assumes being able to predict the future.


Are you claiming it is impossible for an ICE agent to think "I'm just going to shoot the next person who tries to drive away" or what?


Planning ahead to put your own health at risk?


That's a weird way to frame the perspective of someone whose primary job responsibility is physical aggression. It's also not too hard to jump out of the way of a vehicle that you're focusing on if it starts moving. The argument you're effectively making is that the agent's positioning was entirely non-deliberate, even though he had been dragged by a car previously.


So the argument you are effectively making is that the police officer was planning to jump out of the way and this posed reasonably little health risk?




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