This is the perfect example of double-standards implied by women. Imagine an alternative scenario where men could rate their female counterparts on the basis of their 'assets' as defined by some vague methodology. Imagine how much fire under men would be, with ALL men being broadly labelled as sexists because this app was targeted at men.
I am seriously asking - Where are all the feminists now? And their blind-folded feminism?? Especially the ones who know this app..
Nope, a couple of unpopular blog posts is not something I wanted to see. I could have googled those myself. I was expecting a 'rage' unleashed - with just one question - 'How dare they do this!?' "How dare they do this to Gender 'x'" The same rage you saw previously when this happened to women.
Now, I am a troll because I oppose your narrow views suggesting 'Feminists are always right. Men are wrong'
Because you posted two links in response to my argument that feminists don't commit to drama when it's the other side that's being hurt. But you paste just two blog posts that never got popular (I stand by this) trying to justify the fact that feminists did create an issue out of this.
My question is "Where's the drama?"
I think to understand the popularity I'm talking about, you need to go back and read out about some recent incidents where a company was brought under fire and posts were written by dozens and dozens of blogs and authors about an incident where a woman got offended because she over-heard a private conversation and about another incident where a company was under fire because they had hired PROFESSIONAL models to promote their hard disks. Now that is immense popularity, not just two blog posts that never got as much attention as described above. My point is, don't favor one gender over the other.
Also, I said unpopular blog posts and not just unpopular blogs. I hope you take some English lessons part-time.
I generally keep track of such tech issues. I never got to read those posts you linked above. If it were really popular as you claim, then I would have seen some twitter hash tags and some re-posts of the article by prominent media organizations.
No, you're the troll because you don't appear to know any feminists, or what feminists read.
Jezebel and Slate's XX Factor are definitely prominent within the feminist blogosphere (if there is such a thing).
You're also trolling by comparing a startup to the clusterfuck that was the Pycon incident. They are just simply not similar events. There have been creepy dating or hookup apps which have come up on Hacker News in the past. And this conversation (your trolling aside) very much resembled them.
So, please, tell us more about what you think feminists should be doing in detail. What should I as a feminist (someone who believes in equality more generally) have done?
Why would there be a shitstorm? That only happens when the self-proclaimed defenders of the male gender feels threatened by someone challenging their world view.
Did you read that jezebel article? I'm not sure how you think "lol reddit r misogyny" is an example of feminists standing up for equal rights for men as they so often claim they do.
Right here. Pissed off that this app exists. But recognizing that it's a lower priority than a heck of a lot of other things in our society. (I've got a top level post going into this in more detail.) Opposing this type of service looks to me like a classic part of feminism, no question.
If you have specific evidence that "the feminists" do not oppose this sort of thing, now would be a great time to share.
First of all, there is no such thing as feminists in the way you imply: it is category, not a strict set of beliefs. Some types of feminism endorse this sort of thing, because they are sex positive - they would be ok with any app that allows the ranking of people in sex terms, some would have a problem with this app because it doesn't include women rankings. Some would have a problem with a men ranking women app but not this one, because when you go down to the local bar (in most places) you can hear men loudly talking about what women are sluts and which are sweet girls, and if how to get them, but women having those conversations are loudly labeled snobby or bitches - so it evens out the labeling.
Basically I'm saying, you're trying to set fire to a strawman.
As I said to the previous poster, if you have a shred of evidence that "the feminists" consider this app to be acceptable (not just "less bad"), you should share it now.
If you don't, then you might want to pause for a few minutes and seriously ask yourself why you said what you did. Because from my experience, opposing a service like this is a core value of feminism. (It may not be seen as a top priority, but that's a radically different statement.)
I think you and duaneb have misunderstood my comment. I do not mean that they will say that it is acceptable to them because of the patriarchy, they will say that it is acceptable to society because of the patriarchy. In other words, they will blame the existence and acceptance of this app on the patriarchy and not the individuals who created it and accept it.
Ah, thanks for the clarification. (I'm not sure that I understand your point, but at least it's not the basic misunderstanding of feminism that I thought it was.)
(This is a reflection of the social influences that feminism labels "the patriarchy", right? Even though it's individual people making choices that implement those social trends. I've never considered the two to be mutually exclusive.)
Most (all?) women I know who identify as feminist activists would not support this app, and I highly doubt anyone who would is really a feminist. This is equally harmful to women.
I'm a feminist. I'm not outraged. If I was outraged because destructive things exist, I would be a bundle of rage 24 hours a day and never get anything done. What enrages me is sensible people supporting sexism, and no one I respect supports this.
I also am not driven by blind principle, I focus on practicality. As a futurist, I don't see this catching on, let alone abuse of if becoming a big problem. Why would I put energy into solving a vaguely possible future violence when there is documented violence happening right now?
If this app were supporting and accelerating an existing tragedy of men being unable to control their reputations, this might be worth getting angry about.
With all due respect, you should be outraged too, no?
Because a LOT of feminists were outraged when similar things happened to women. My question is exactly addressed to you: Why are you outraged when it happens to gender X and why do you dismiss it when it happens to gender Y, saying things like "it's not a big problem", "we have many other things to worry about in the society" (as another commenter posted, etc.)
Assuming that gender X can withstand all this but not gender Y is sexism by itself. I appreciate your positive look on life, in general, but you are not being fair here.
>As a futurist, I don't see this catching on, let alone abuse of if becoming a big problem.
This is exactly the kind of mentality we hate. Supporting something based on the drama around it is the worst thing a feminist like you can do. Does this mean isolated incidents with no drama can be safely ignored? I think it's a poor methodology.
This is not about violence. It's about the identities of people who never opted for something. So, you're saying something along the lines of
"I don't care because it's not a serious issue (yet). And you have to deal with it."
Which is unfair. How would you like to see your face on a pornographic site uploaded without your consent? Wouldn't you and other feminists be outraged? That's exactly the feeling we've got right now, because it's our identity at stake. And you can't just ask us to live with it, just because there's no drama around it.
As a feminist, if this is the mindset with which you and your friends are working towards sexism, then, I think you would be contributing more to sexism than eradicating it. And this is disgusting. Someone should probably write a blog post about this mindset, so people like you can stop calling yourselves feminists, representing other genuine feminists in the wrong way.
You are looking for feminists to be outraged on Hacker News? Yes, a place known to attract many female users. Especially women that would encounter Lulu.
Or not. I don't think this is something that my friends or I would ever encounter outside reading Jezebel, which legitimately is a popular site for women. It seems like a gross app to me, one that objectifies men and has the potential to be abused by women with a grudge.
This is the perfect example of double-standards implied by women. Imagine an alternative scenario where men could rate their female counterparts on the basis of their 'assets' as defined by some vague methodology. Imagine how much fire under men would be, with ALL men being broadly labelled as sexists because this app was targeted at men.
I am seriously asking - Where are all the feminists now? And their blind-folded feminism?? Especially the ones who know this app..