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What is the plan to deal with the backlash from uneducated people screaming about how bad GMO is?


Well, the project is likely to take another 15 years until we have the system bred into local varieties. This gives us a lot of time for building confidence in what we're doing, and learning from previous failures.

Part of the issue with 'GMO' is that many people see it as a way for 'Big Ag' to tighten its control on the food supply. This project is an example of GMO being used for humanitarian benefit on a massive scale, with no benefit to 'Big Ag'. However, that's not enough - Golden rice for example has been met with a deliberate campaign of resistance by Greenpeace.

The fundamentally important thing is that the farmers don't get fed misinformation. IRRI, who coordinate the C4 rice project, have a huge community outreach and participation program, and do an incredible amount of education with farmers. If the farmers want the technology, it will happen. And in the market, if people want the food, it will happen. Hungry people don't give a crap what Greenpeace say.


Golden rice would allow "Big Ag" to tighten their control on the food supply if it was actually useful, which seems unlikely at the moment. About 30 or so of the biggest agricultural technology companies hold patents vital to it, including Monsanto and Bayer, and Golden Rice itself is patented with the patents controlled by Syngenta. They've granted a limited free license for humanitarian use[1], but only for countries that can't grow enough calories of food to feed their population[2] and small-scale subsistence farmers, and only if they don't export the rice. As far as I can tell it's basically impossible to grow enough rice to make a difference under the terms of the agreement, which isn't surprising as the whole thing's basically a PR stunt for big agri. (Even the creator of golden rice reckons the main reason everyone was so willing to license their patents was because it makes a good PR weapon against anti-GMO activists - now they can accuse them of wanting the third world to starve.)

[1] http://www.goldenrice.org/Content1-Who/who4_IP.php

[2] "low-income, food-deficit countries as defined by FAO" - see http://www.fao.org/countryprofiles/lifdc/en/


Those restrictions are pretty much exactly what is needed - the vast majority of malnourished asians grow their own food on very small plots. Golden rice would be available to them. It's not available for commercial exploitation by anyone, including Syngenta.


How big do you estimate your chances of pulling this off? It seems - with my limited knowledge of genetics - to be a very ambitious project.


Chances of pulling it off eventually are very high - I started my PhD with naive prior of around 0.5, and I'm converging on something like 0.9 now.

The hardest thing is discovering how the system is fundamentally regulated, and we are making rapid progress. Our massively high throughput approach gives us huge lists of candidate genes with probabilities, so we can rank them and process them through a biological testing pipeline quite fast. Using this process we've discovered a whole lot in the last two years - for example we now have a toolbox of genes we can use to precisely time gene expression in the bundle sheath cell (the cell C4 plants concentrate RuBisCO in). Our computational systems are rapidly improving, and I think 2015 will be a big year for us. Final year of my PhD, and I intend to go out with a bang :).

The secondary challenge is building the system in rice, but unless everything we know about molecular biology is wrong, this will work. We've already started by putting the parts we do know about in the right places in separate plants, then breeding them together ('gene stacking'). This happens in parallel with the discovery.

The major uncertainty is in the timescale - 15 years is ambitious, but not unlikely. 20 years is likely. With a colleague at LSE, I did some simulations of what the impact of success would be at various timescales, and 20 years would still be a vast humanitarian win. Every year we can shave off the time to delivery potentially saves tens of thousands of lives and lifts another hundreds thousand or so people out of food scarcity.


Super project, I wish you all the success in the world and then some.


The roadmap is 15 years, but the project was funded in October 2008. With six years of work behind them, how far down the 15-year roadmap at present?


The first two stages of the project have proceeded in parallel, so we've been doing gene discovery and stacking in rice at the same time. I think we're probably 3 years behind schedule - the gene discovery part of that original pyramid is very optimistic.


A combination of education and (mostly) ignoring them, I would hope. Such screaming comes from people who expect to have food available for their next meal, and tends to evaporate when hungry.


> ignoring them

I couldn't agree more. I really hope this rampant science denialism that is getting traction in American society is just profoundly ignored by those in power.


I think your position is unscientific. First, there's enough food to feed everybody on this planet already, but the "economical science" is not in favor of distributing resources evenly. Second, it's highly unscientific to start feeding a large population with foods that haven't passed any testing, and, no, 5-10-year trials are not enough. So, instead of solving problems we've created, the only solution is change the system that's highly unfair and that's build around the idea that only a small percentage of the world population will live well, will be wasteful, and destroying the entire planet with it's pathological consumerism and the rest will be "servicing" them or, at least, not getting hold of their resources, but suffering from their unhealthy for the environment lifestyle. Also, although I understand the positive sides of the GMOs, introducing them to our ecosystem is something, which short- and long-term consequences we cannot predict. So, if you want to help the hungry, re-engineer the political and the economical system (like The Venus Project), which corrupt system allows this global unfairness and leave the organisms (in "GMO") alone! I personally don't mind planting GMOs on Mars, just not on Earth, please, or not outside of strictly-controlled environments!


> it's highly unscientific to start feeding a large population with foods that haven't passed any testing

It's not unscientific at all. Whether to perform extensive testing on foods is not a function of science but of public opinion.

The science tells us that all plant-derived foods outside a very small group of sources are extremely likely to be safe for the vast majority of people. There are very few exceptions, but there are some, like potatoes and tomatoes, which are both derived from poisonous wild ancestors so new strains need to be checked for reversion to the wild state. I say 'the vast majority of people', because some tiny number of people can have allergic reactions to any food, whether derived from a GMO or not.

We don't perform any testing at all on the majority of new foods introduced. This includes new plant strains bred by various mutagenesis strategies, where vast numbers of mutations are induced by chemicals or with x-rays. By comparison, GMO-derived foods receive extensive testing, but only due to public opinion, not because they are inherently more dangerous. They are in fact inherently more safe. In the process of producing a new strain by genetic modification, very few changes will be made to the genome, and they will tend to be highly predictable, whereas the conventional breeding process is highly unpredictable and introduces lots of unwanted effects. This has been demonstrated in dozens of studies.

> So, if you want to help the hungry, re-engineer the political and the economical system

This can only be said from a position of first-world comfort. It would be wonderful if we could solve the resource distribution problem. But let's not kid ourselves: it would be crazy to only try to fix the economics. What's the timescale on that change? A very long time. How likely is it to work? Not at all likely. Improving agricultural yields through technology is something we definitely can achieve, and the timescale is predictable. Hungry people will choose the technology that allows them to feed themselves now, not the promise that if the entire world economy changes they may one day get some food.


On the last point: This kind of reasoning has been repeated over and over again with any "food technology" rolled out since the beginning of agriculture 12,000 years ago. Still people are hungry. Maybe it is time to find out whether working on the root cause actually fixes the hunger in the world.


Food technology has, in the last 100 years, almost completely eradicated famine and has raised over a billion people out of severe nutritional deficit.

I'm not saying don't try to fix other things. I'm saying do both.


In the last 100 years food waste has amounted to 1.3 billion tons per year. That's almost half of the global production. There is clearly no need to produce more food to solve hunger.


That would only be true if the food wasted would otherwise be going to the world's hungry. This is not the case.

Most of the world's poor do not import food, they grow it in their immediate vicinity. Increased yields help them directly.

If you have a solution to the food distribution problem, by all means let's work on that at the same time. But there's no reason not to work on crop efficiency.




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